USAF ETAC, CCT

[Hamul]

Незнаю, чи була ця фотка в темі, сьогодні гортаючи форум прочитав про EGLM в AFSOC.
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Оператор AFSOC CCT Марк Форестер (справа) и сержант 1-го класса спецподразделения «Зеленые береты» Кэлвин Харрисон (слева). Оба погибли в афганской провинции Урузган в тот же день что и сделано фото, 28 сентября 2010.

[Мекк Сендман]

Ну раз Форестер, тоді вже світіть всі його фото

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Нууу....я бы это не стал учитывать. )))
Патчей может быть сколько угодно много вокруг. Учитывая что они любят собираться на общих столах.

На специалист.ком есть несколько похожих тем про CCT vs TACP , где активные участники одних и других спорят о том что SOCOM отказалось от TACP в штатах подразделений и использует разномастный люд в виде JTAC.

Ну в общем все там намного сложнее в силу различных причин, и я бы не стал безоговорочно приписывать того или иного человека к аирменам или CCT даже если он выполняет функции JTAC с зелеными беретами по фото.
Есть шанс ошибиться...причем шанс не маленький.

Наскільки мені відомо, жетак це кваліфікація. Тобто будь який оператор, пройшовший курси JTAC може виконувати обовязки бойового авіа диспетчера. STS же проходять більш розширену підготовку з всякими фрі фолл і дайвінг классами. Тобто їхні скіли настроїні більше на співпрацю з спец юнітами сокма. Не бачу причини чому на тій фотографії не може бути комбат контроллер. Ніби все при ньому, сет паучів специфічний, вроді не беретовський і не сілзовий, Глок зустрічався на фотках ССТ, правда на 2011-12 не так багато фото з секондарі.
п.с АОР1 був, вот ще і АОР2 нехай буде

[Мекк Сендман]

Досить цікаве фото.

[Мекк Сендман]

Підозрюю, що аірмен.

[Артём]

На доске в школе в Поупе есть, такш точно из здешней категории...

[Мекк Сендман]

О. Кул. Значить на 2008ий тадгір досить юзабельний.

[Мекк Сендман]

[Артём]

Jungle Jim, или как всё начиналось в 60-е

[Roger Hudson]

Эпично!

[Мекк Сендман]

Такі справи.

[Мекк Сендман]

Було багато спорів на рахунок атачменту контролерів до ренджерів. Ось ще один прицидент.

[BobCat]

Опятьже, почему это не ТАСP?

[Артём]

А нафига детскому садику из джунглей кого-то придавать? Они ж в самодостаточность уже почитай 15 лет играют...

[BobCat]

Как говорит мой знакомый "Абсолютно в попу верно".

COMBAT CONTROL VS TACP

CCT's job is to provide ausetere air traffic control, so for example we go to war with Russia, CCT teams will be attached to ODA (Special Forces teams) teams and Ranger elements who are assigned air field seizures. So they go in and clear out the airfield (shooting and fighting) then provide air traffic control until a "real" air traffic controller is landed. Now CCT guys are certified air traffic controllers and have to maintain that qualification, but I say "real" because its not like they sit in the tower doing it as their main job. They go to ATC school and while the rest of the pogs get time to study, they will be doing some heinous PT. The CCT pipeline is about 2 years long, hard as fuck, and they come out of it with Airborne, HALO, Scuba, and SERE training. The swimming is what washes most people out, eventually they are required to swim 50m underwater, swim with fins for roughly 2 million miles, etc...

TACP's are attached to and deploy with Army units of all shapes and sizes from armor units to ODA and ODD. For instance I was in Afghanistan with paratroopers out of Alaska (although I live in Ft. Lewis with mech guys...but shits all fucked up so I wont get into it). Our job is to become and then maintain JTAC status and control close air support for whoever it is that we are with. There are two sides, sitting in a TOC and out in the field, I did a ton of both. It's not high speed, but the plain and simple truth is some missions are better controlled from the TOC, sitting at a desk with a radio and a computer screen where you have much more situational awareness. On the other hand, if youre strafing bad guys 100m away or dropping danger close bombs on mooj, you need to actually be out there. Usually you will be with the on-scene commander, but this can be as low as a squad leader or as high as a full bird if thats what the mission dictates.

Now here is where it gets kind of confusing. Because of the huge demand for JTACs, CCT gets used to fill in. They ONLY support SOF (Special Operations Forces - SF, SEAL, Delta, etc...). TACP's support conventional units by default, but can try-out and be selected for SOF and Ranger assignments. In fact, those who get assigned to SOF units get sent to Combat Controller units (Special Tactics Squadrons, or STS) and get sent to any of the cool-guy schools they don't have yet (usually HALO/Scuba). A lot of people feel that eventually the careerfields are just going to merge.


I'm not going to try and beat my chest here, CCT is WAY harder than TACP, but eventually, if it's your goal, both lead to the same job - SOF/Ranger JTAC, in about the same time. The CCT pipeline is so damn long that if you go TACP you will probably already have a deployment and a JTACQC slot by the time youd be finishing AST (The last portion of the CCT pipeline) and going to an STS.

BECOMING A SOF/RANGER JTAC

To become a SOF/Ranger TACP you must go to selection and be picked by a panel of senior career field leaders for both TACP and CCT. Phase 1 of the process if to submit a formal package with things like letters of recommendation, military resume, etc... They then select who they want to go down to the Phase 2 Try-Outs. Candidates are then subject to strenuous PT and tested on job knowledge and field skills to a very high standard. Candidates take psychological evaluations and must go before a board of the aforementioned senior career field leaders. Once selected, candidates can go to one of three STS's and support Army Special Forces or they can go to any of the 17TH ASOS detachments in support of Army Rangers.

To apply you have to be a 5 level Senior Airman (E-4), and you must be JTAC certified to go to the Rangers. If not JTAC certified and selected for an STS they will send you to JTACQC. Once selected you will attend advanced skills training in Hurlburt for 8 weeks (where you learn all kinds of cool-guy shit) and Airborne if you have not gone yet. While they are not promising HALO or DIVE, I'd say its pretty reasonable to expect a shot at both.

Physically, they are looking for 21 minute 3 mile runs and 16+ pullups, and obviously that same high standard for pushups and situps.

Вполне может быть TACP из числа рейнджеров.

[Мекк Сендман]

Можливо і так. Але чомусь більше люди пишуть що саме ССТ. Власне їх там 2є було.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...=1#post4708519

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Вирізка з софреп
The initial training ‘pipeline’ for an AF Special Tactics Squadron combat controller costs twice as much time and sweat as does the journey to become a Navy SEAL or Delta operator. Before their training is complete someone brainwashes these guys into thinking they can climb like Spiderman, swim like Tarzan and fly like Superman – and they have to prove they can do so if they plan to graduate. And that is just to get to a place where they can do the job for which they are really trained, calling those deadly air strikes. The life of a combat controller is split between working with Delta and the SEALs, with a little moonligting with the 75TH Ranger Regiment now and again.
http://sofrep.com/combat-controllers...#ixzz2WaAQppLL

[BobCat]

Ну ССТ не только с дельтой и рейнджерами работают. Этот текст скорее отписка, мол могут с этими или с этими.
Ни на одном ресурсе где эти фотки появились первыми не указано что это ССТ или TACP, это уже потом придумали аирсофт дрочеры.
Так что тут 50/50... большой я бы сказал процент ошибки опять же.

[Rey]

TAG? по всему он

[Мекк Сендман]

Тоді треба було вже хайрезу показувати

U.S. Air Force Tech. Sgt. Jason Meek, a Joint Terminal Attack Controller (JTAC) with the 66th Weapons Squadron, Nellis Air Force Base, Nev., coordinates with 12 C-130Js from Dyess Air Force Base, Texas, during a joint force integration exercise April 25, 2013, at Winston Field Airport in Snyder, Texas. JTACs provided critical information during a simulated airfield seizure to strengthen training, safety and efficiency of working with multiple aircraft of different capabilities.



п.с ну раз Жетак, тоді жетак


A U.S. Air Force Joint Terminal Attack Controller from Fort Sill, Okla., scans the area for enemy combatants during a joint training exercise May 1, 2013, near Snyder, Texas. B-1 Bombers from Dyess Air Force Base, Texas, provided close air support during the exercise.




U.S. Air Force Capt. Thomas White, 9th Bomb Squadron, Dyess Air Force Base, Texas, communicates with a Dyess B-1 Bomber to eliminate enemy combatants during a joint training exercise May 1, 2013, near Snyder, Texas. During the exercise, Joint Terminal Attack Controllers directed B-1 Bombers to provide close air support on simulated high-value targets during several realistic scenarios.


U.S. Air Force Staff Sgt. Leonard Clark, 317th Operations Support Squadron, Dyess Air Force Base, Texas, aims a simulated weapon at a U.S. Air Force Joint Terminal Attack Controller (JTAC) from Fort Sill, Okla., while acting as an enemy insurgent during a joint training exercise May 1, 2013, near Snyder, Texas. During the exercise, JTACs directed Dyess B-1 Bombers to provide close air support on simulated high-value targets during several realistic scenarios.

[Osama]

А это не стракболисты на фото? Оранжевый пламегас, наклейка на приводе....да и маркировки белые... явно аирсофтоские

[Мекк Сендман]

2Osama. Тренька